This reminds me of comments offered by a client after he participated in the critique of a design we (architects) presented for a new School of Music at the University of Georgia:

"I just realized that what you experience is similar to what it would be like if, after composing a symphony, the audience stepped up to criticize your phrasing and dynamics and even your key. I'm not sure I would stand for it."

Although servants aren't entitled to work without the approval of those they serve, it's nice to have your investment acknowledged.

I have been both a pastor and a designer and I cann attest to the truth of this post. I have experienced first-hand the way the church undervalues art and creativity. However, I tend to believe that it has more to do with wanting everything cheap and free (mainly because the church also seems to undervalue craftsmanship, and excellence in general).

I am thankful for forums like this one that let me know I am not alone and that others are pushing the church to aspire to creative excellence.

Very interesting article. Thank you

I wanted to mention just a few of the many experiences I've had with pastors as a designer.

The first one was the green paper request, after it was printed the Pastor wanted it Neon but it was just a bristol green. He made my boss cry about being "disobedient" and laughed about her crying in front of me.

I worked with visiting missionary designing his logo which had to include 4 symbols. I showed him several good ones and he picked one, exclaiming "This is it, this is of God!" The next day it was determined it wasn't really of God after all I had to keep at it. The same thing with a mailer. After a week of this "finding God's Will" for his art I bailed out and he was assigned a new artist from his home church.

God showed another pastor the brilliant idea of using a generic labeling scheme for his junior high group's bumper sticker. Ok, first of all Jr High kids don't need bumper stickers, they don't drive and the whole generic look means nothing to them, they don't shop warehouses. But God told him.

Another one was sure God wanted a wicker baby carriage clip art for his logo for his New Birth Church. First of all clip art is not to be used as a logo legally and, a baby carriage to attract newcomers to a brand new church? No amount of reasoning would persuade him and I passed it to another artist on staff. Found out years later he and his wife were in the throes of Infertility therapy and were childless.

Unfortunately this was typical of the 10 pastors on staff at the large church where I worked. God's supposed will was used as a weapon for art. When that happens there is recourse.

I'm a youth pastor. My wife is graphic designer. This post is INCREDIBLY true.

Thank God for pastors who see the value of having any design work done at all and for those pastors who are making room for the gifts of others to emerge. Thank God for pastors, boards and councils that find funds within their budgets to pay for the work being done by designers. Designers need to listen well and pastors need to speak with clarity. Pastors need to listen well to designers and designers need to speak in simple terms - so us pastors who are not designers can understand. Lastly, pastors (I confess) need to plan thing out in advance and assist designers in not getting hit up by other departments that press for their work to get done first, rather than the work that impacts more people, the whole church. May we use all our gifts to make the local church be the best it can be and not suck.

Can I just say that this is the most helpful and balanced blog post I've ever read re: "Designers vs. Pastors?" Cause it is.

Thank you for trying to bring the sides together, rather than setting up an environment for attacks and insanity.

This rocks.

Thanks for your response everyone. I'm totally humbled that it made it in, much less that people thought it was good!

I like this article as it addresses the respect factor of both the pastor and the designer. I get the privilege of frequently working with designers. The truth is that I do have an idea of what I want communicated in the creative being done. The key is being respectful and working with the designer. If there is something about the creative you do not like, build off of what you do like about it. Compliment and gently request your changes. We all need to have thick skin when it comes to feedback, but it is better when we offer the feedback nicely.

As a Designer I constantly battle these creative issues with both Churches and Charities and for sanities sake, I mostly designer for corporate bodies as they not only pay better, they treat me better as well. For me its not about taking feedback badly as I will tell you now, coporate bodies are more brutally honest, for me its about respect. I am treated as a professional and my opinions are taken seriously as it affets sales. In the church I get the impression some of the leaders dont se the imapct my work has on the overall success of their ministry and mostly treat me as a neccesary evil they have to endure.

In balance I will say some Churches have treated me with an understandng of what my skill bring to the table but they are really few and far between.

"God's supposed will was used as a weapon for art. When that happens there is recourse."

I meant when God's will is used as a final authority on graphic design there is NO recourse. That is the silver bullet that we designers have to submit to regardless, or be labeled rebellious.

Pastors don't tell architects where to place the load bearing wall or number of trusses when building the church, nor tell the plumbers what size pipes to use or the electricians which wires to use. But they all have seem to have direction, if not outright control, of the newest ad or slide with direct insight from God.

This of course may come from the churches decision to hire cheap inexperienced designers who they have to lead along when they should be hiring experienced professionals that want to serve the Lord in their chosen field of design.

We can give you a successful tool to reach people

OR

We can do just exactly what you want.

I disagree with the designer. I think their sentiments continue to forward the perception of the "creative" as an overly-sensitive type.

Instead of the worst thing being people who don't like your work, I think it's people who won't let you work. Most pastors I've worked with just want you to execute their poorly conceived ideas.

Let me do the creating, thanks; that's my gifting, not yours. If you don't like it, I'm secure enough to deal with that. But, I find that you usually do.

I think you might be leaving out a few people... maybe everyone. :>)

I think everyone deals with these issues. The problem is that none of us recognize that others deal with it too. Thanks for reminding us.

-Marshall Jones Jr.

When designers that work for churches realize that they are in the business of making money they won't take rejection so personally.

Good discussion. As a pastor and a coach I see another side of Ron's comment. I think the church values the work but gets into a mindset of cheap or free because that is the world we live in. Everything we do is free for anyone who shows up. And if not free then as cheap as possible so as many as possible can take part. When you give it all away you struggle with sticker shock in the real world.

I have learned this moving from pastoring to coaching. It is the same issues that we all face like Marshall points out.

Regarding cheap or free, perhaps that's partly due to lack of finances. For more on these creative issues, check out Bruce & Stan's book entitled "I'm fine with God, It's Christians I can't stand." Some interesting thoughts on why the church often sucks at being creative...

Hmm, if funerals come in 3's then maybe the 2nd and 3rd shouldn't be unexpected. :)

Fantastic article. This is a great tool to bring perspective. Succinct and poweful. Well done!