Word! I love Dallas Willard. Good stuff. Thanks for sharing that, Kevin!

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Wow, only 2 comments and they're both from Steve's. I am going to complete the trifecta! I love Dallas Willard as well, and am currently slowly digesting the Divine Conspiracy. Amen and amen!

"These 3 Steve's...", er...I mean kings.

There is a great book called "The Scandal of the Evangelical Conscience" relating to just this idea . . . 1 Tim (4:12)

Interessting to me that so few have anything to offer in comment to this post. I think it may be because it can't be argued with. I love your site here, and I enjoy reading and gleening from it, but I've noticed the trend that some people love hot-button issues when they can accuse someone else of being wrong, but don't like to talk about hard truths like our sinful depravity.

I think that another collary to this discussion (semantic nuclear bombs aside) is the current western concept of the church as an entity rather than a body, and all of the baggage that goes with that that has nothing to do with the rest of our lives.

If most evangelical Christians associate themselves with activities at a particular building on Sundays, and all activities for the rest of the week devolve from that activity, then all of their activities actually, at heart, advertise for that building and its activities... not for Christ.

But if we are all Christians, of one body (those of us who have surrendered to our Lord Jesus, and who seek to more closely reflect His image and behaviour to the world) then the church and it's sunday activities are the rest of that, rather than the impetus...

I believe that "church" is where people of God can always run for help. Yes, we ave the nicest church in the world-with great architecture and the likes but what good it is if we dont let our unfortunate brothers and sisters to come in for shelter. In times of crisis, we must forget about politics and religion and focus on helping one another

Amy makes a good point. Here in the states, everyone has become so conditioned to thinking in terms of left/right that we have forgotten to think in terms of right/wrong. Churches here routinely ignore the needs of the poor and the ill. I walk into a church and I see very expensive furnishings and carpet, and I marvel at the luxury of it all. Then I wonder how many people could have been helped with all the money and effort that went into building such marvelous palaces. I saw most of it in Minnesota, but I've seen it in many states here.

We need to remember that Jesus didn't have a gold card stuffed in His pocket, but look at what He accomplished. The phoniness of "the church" sickens me. "The church" is in business for itself.

Ok, I'll step aside for the moment while you bristle and throw tomatoes at me.