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	<title>Comments on: Ed Young: The Cussing Pastor</title>
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		<title>By: Pete Kramer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pete Kramer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jan 2012 15:47:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The cussing is a side issue for me...I let the higher up pastors deal with that - I wouldn&#039;t be allowed to do that when I preach thought. But, as a media pastor and avid ping-pong player...I&#039;m bothered more by all the qusi-sexual-ping-pong-grunting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The cussing is a side issue for me&#8230;I let the higher up pastors deal with that &#8211; I wouldn&#8217;t be allowed to do that when I preach thought. But, as a media pastor and avid ping-pong player&#8230;I&#8217;m bothered more by all the qusi-sexual-ping-pong-grunting.</p>
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		<title>By: Rose Coward</title>
		<link>http://www.churchmarketingsucks.com/2009/06/ed-young-the-cussing-pastor/comment-page-1/#comment-28129</link>
		<dc:creator>Rose Coward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Dec 2011 01:44:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Romans 12:17 admonishes us to, &quot;give thought to do what is honorable in the sight of all.  If possible, so far as it depends on you, live peaceably with all.   

The key word here is &quot;all&quot; it doesn&#039;t hurt a pastor to consider the sensibilities of &quot;all&quot;, so that as much as it depends on him he will not unnecessarily offend anyone.   It&#039;s a high standard, but as the one who is calling his flock to a higher standard it&#039;s appropriate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Romans 12:17 admonishes us to, &#8220;give thought to do what is honorable in the sight of all.  If possible, so far as it depends on you, live peaceably with all.   </p>
<p>The key word here is &#8220;all&#8221; it doesn&#8217;t hurt a pastor to consider the sensibilities of &#8220;all&#8221;, so that as much as it depends on him he will not unnecessarily offend anyone.   It&#8217;s a high standard, but as the one who is calling his flock to a higher standard it&#8217;s appropriate.</p>
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		<title>By: steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Nov 2011 23:01:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Romans 14
Phlippians 2:15
Matthew 5:13</description>
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Phlippians 2:15<br />
Matthew 5:13</p>
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		<title>By: Cantarella</title>
		<link>http://www.churchmarketingsucks.com/2009/06/ed-young-the-cussing-pastor/comment-page-1/#comment-25965</link>
		<dc:creator>Cantarella</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Oct 2011 15:03:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I totally agree that people have missed what sucks really means.  &quot;Suck what&quot;?  &quot;Stinks&quot; would be a little cleaner.

&quot;Screwed/screwing&quot; - ditto.  I like the alternate, &quot;tried/trying to get over on other people.&quot;
&quot;Crap&quot; - smelly, messy stuff.  Poop,sh#t, manure.  All about the same?

I unfortunately swear a lot(remains of life B.C.) but am constantly working on it. I am not a Pastor but I occasionally lead worship.  I use no swear words in an effort to be cool.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I totally agree that people have missed what sucks really means.  &#8220;Suck what&#8221;?  &#8220;Stinks&#8221; would be a little cleaner.</p>
<p>&#8220;Screwed/screwing&#8221; &#8211; ditto.  I like the alternate, &#8220;tried/trying to get over on other people.&#8221;<br />
&#8220;Crap&#8221; &#8211; smelly, messy stuff.  Poop,sh#t, manure.  All about the same?</p>
<p>I unfortunately swear a lot(remains of life B.C.) but am constantly working on it. I am not a Pastor but I occasionally lead worship.  I use no swear words in an effort to be cool.</p>
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		<title>By: Nathan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Mar 2011 18:17:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a Christian.  I cuss.  And not just dang or heck either.  Maybe we&#039;re all heathens, but my Christian friends do it too.  

When Comedy Central is permitted to let the f-bomb fly after 11, I think the whole culture-is-accepting-swearing argument needs extrapolated a little further than crap and sucks.  

While I&#039;m ever-mindful of who I&#039;m speaking with and not letting something so stupid provoke an offense with others, I&#039;d call bull sh*t out in a heartbeat and the thought of being cool for saying it would not enter my brain.

Let&#039;s face it, if you were born after 1985 crap and sucks really don&#039;t achieve the degree of emphasis they once did.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a Christian.  I cuss.  And not just dang or heck either.  Maybe we&#8217;re all heathens, but my Christian friends do it too.  </p>
<p>When Comedy Central is permitted to let the f-bomb fly after 11, I think the whole culture-is-accepting-swearing argument needs extrapolated a little further than crap and sucks.  </p>
<p>While I&#8217;m ever-mindful of who I&#8217;m speaking with and not letting something so stupid provoke an offense with others, I&#8217;d call bull sh*t out in a heartbeat and the thought of being cool for saying it would not enter my brain.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s face it, if you were born after 1985 crap and sucks really don&#8217;t achieve the degree of emphasis they once did.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed Young Sucks</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ed Young Sucks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 May 2010 20:31:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ed Young accusing someone of chasing cool? Take one trip to ones of his &quot;sermons&quot; and you&#039;ll see a middle aged man with bed head, designer ripped jeans, and a striped shirt begging his congregation to bring in more of their friends so they can contribute more money to projects like a water park. He looks like the stereotypical Dallas 30K Millionaire.
His entire church is a cash cow. Frankly the guy is a genius.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ed Young accusing someone of chasing cool? Take one trip to ones of his &#8220;sermons&#8221; and you&#8217;ll see a middle aged man with bed head, designer ripped jeans, and a striped shirt begging his congregation to bring in more of their friends so they can contribute more money to projects like a water park. He looks like the stereotypical Dallas 30K Millionaire.<br />
His entire church is a cash cow. Frankly the guy is a genius.</p>
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		<title>By: AML</title>
		<link>http://www.churchmarketingsucks.com/2009/06/ed-young-the-cussing-pastor/comment-page-1/#comment-8855</link>
		<dc:creator>AML</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 09:25:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lately I have heard the words sucks, screwed, and crap in the sermons at my church and I told my pastor that I find it offensive and distracting. I asked him to consider removing them from the preaching. I am not very conservative in my language. In casual conversation I use those words at times and I hear others using them and I don&#039;t really think much about it. I would prefer not to use those words because I think there are better ways to express a point. But I can&#039;t really say I have made cleaning up my language a priority. So maybe it is very hypocritical of me to ask that the people preaching clean up their language. If so I want God to convict me. But I guess the way I look at it is you don&#039;t preach a sermon in your boxer shorts and undershirt. But it is perfectly appropriate attire for Saturday morning at home with your wife. For me personally I find the words sucks and screwed and crap offensive in a sermon. Sucks and screwed both have sexual connotations but when they are used in a sermon the point that is being made has nothing to do with sex. So to me there is no point in it. It detracts from the sermon and causes my mind to shift to something else. As for crap I just think there are better words that could be used to illustrate a point in a sermon. Again thinking about crap kind of detracts from whatever point the preacher is trying to make. That&#039;s my two cents and I certainly wouldn&#039;t leave my church over it. But I did make my preference known. I do think we have to be careful not to judge the person who is using the language or make an assumption about why they are using it - unless they tell us why.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lately I have heard the words sucks, screwed, and crap in the sermons at my church and I told my pastor that I find it offensive and distracting. I asked him to consider removing them from the preaching. I am not very conservative in my language. In casual conversation I use those words at times and I hear others using them and I don&#8217;t really think much about it. I would prefer not to use those words because I think there are better ways to express a point. But I can&#8217;t really say I have made cleaning up my language a priority. So maybe it is very hypocritical of me to ask that the people preaching clean up their language. If so I want God to convict me. But I guess the way I look at it is you don&#8217;t preach a sermon in your boxer shorts and undershirt. But it is perfectly appropriate attire for Saturday morning at home with your wife. For me personally I find the words sucks and screwed and crap offensive in a sermon. Sucks and screwed both have sexual connotations but when they are used in a sermon the point that is being made has nothing to do with sex. So to me there is no point in it. It detracts from the sermon and causes my mind to shift to something else. As for crap I just think there are better words that could be used to illustrate a point in a sermon. Again thinking about crap kind of detracts from whatever point the preacher is trying to make. That&#8217;s my two cents and I certainly wouldn&#8217;t leave my church over it. But I did make my preference known. I do think we have to be careful not to judge the person who is using the language or make an assumption about why they are using it &#8211; unless they tell us why.</p>
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		<title>By: irv</title>
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		<dc:creator>irv</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 18:22:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the truth is, language is and always will be cultural. there is no such thing as cussing in the bible.  whe we are told not to &quot;swear&quot; it literally means taking an unwarranted oath. when we are told not to &quot;curse&quot;, it literally is pronouncing a curse on someone.  when paul uses the idea of &quot;filthy communication&quot;, it is referring to sexual descriptions, so the F word would be off limits except in the bedroom of a hubby and wife.  when paul talks of unwholesome, it literally means things that tear down.....there is reason that people laugh at christians at these moments.  we seem ignorant (except when using all lower case) and destructive.  come on people? really?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the truth is, language is and always will be cultural. there is no such thing as cussing in the bible.  whe we are told not to &#8220;swear&#8221; it literally means taking an unwarranted oath. when we are told not to &#8220;curse&#8221;, it literally is pronouncing a curse on someone.  when paul uses the idea of &#8220;filthy communication&#8221;, it is referring to sexual descriptions, so the F word would be off limits except in the bedroom of a hubby and wife.  when paul talks of unwholesome, it literally means things that tear down&#8230;..there is reason that people laugh at christians at these moments.  we seem ignorant (except when using all lower case) and destructive.  come on people? really?</p>
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		<title>By: Charles</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Aug 2009 13:04:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see both sides of this argument. I know good dudes that use language that some think they shouldnt use and I know bad dudes who use only the finest words in the dictionary I dont really care about that.
I just think this article was unhelpful. It goes back to the your judgmental argument....thats so old.
But thats my opinion which at the end of the day couldnt buy you  a cheesburger from mc d&#039;s.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see both sides of this argument. I know good dudes that use language that some think they shouldnt use and I know bad dudes who use only the finest words in the dictionary I dont really care about that.<br />
I just think this article was unhelpful. It goes back to the your judgmental argument&#8230;.thats so old.<br />
But thats my opinion which at the end of the day couldnt buy you  a cheesburger from mc d&#8217;s.</p>
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		<title>By: sheila b</title>
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		<dc:creator>sheila b</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jul 2009 10:08:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just some comments on culture. Erwin McManus has some interesting ideas on how the church shouldn&#039;t be following culture but instead creating culture. Our problem is that the culture that we set is not attractive and turns people off. Unfortunately we seem to have difficulty being Jesus without becoming self righteous. If we look at Jesus, we will see that it&#039;s all about loving people. And that includes how we talk. Whether saying certain words qualifies as sinfulness is a tough area to evaluate. But I believe it is less about the word and more about the intention (heart). Sometimes only the speaker and God know.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just some comments on culture. Erwin McManus has some interesting ideas on how the church shouldn&#8217;t be following culture but instead creating culture. Our problem is that the culture that we set is not attractive and turns people off. Unfortunately we seem to have difficulty being Jesus without becoming self righteous. If we look at Jesus, we will see that it&#8217;s all about loving people. And that includes how we talk. Whether saying certain words qualifies as sinfulness is a tough area to evaluate. But I believe it is less about the word and more about the intention (heart). Sometimes only the speaker and God know.</p>
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