Comments on: How To Achieve 277% Growth http://www.churchmarketingsucks.com/2007/04/how-to-achieve-277-growth/ Frustrate. Educate. Motivate. Thu, 09 Feb 2012 18:56:26 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: free church bulletin templates http://www.churchmarketingsucks.com/2007/04/how-to-achieve-277-growth/comment-page-1/#comment-5275 free church bulletin templates Fri, 14 Aug 2009 11:20:48 +0000 http://cms.bigbadcollab.com/?p=853#comment-5275 I am glad to hear you say that this will not work for everyone. I agree it was a great thing for this church. That brings me to the whole church marketing thing in the first place. Advertising is different than marketing. Marketing is discovering who your target audiance is. I think churches really do a bad job of this in general. I am glad to hear you say that this will not work for everyone. I agree it was a great thing for this church. That brings me to the whole church marketing thing in the first place.
Advertising is different than marketing. Marketing is discovering who your target audiance is. I think churches really do a bad job of this in general.

]]> By: john http://www.churchmarketingsucks.com/2007/04/how-to-achieve-277-growth/comment-page-1/#comment-5274 john Tue, 30 Oct 2007 09:08:44 +0000 http://cms.bigbadcollab.com/?p=853#comment-5274 I'M A PROFESSIONAL MARKETER BUT JUST RECENTLY I VENTURED TO TAKE A COURSE ON MINISTRY MARKETING AT NEW LIFE BIBLE SCHOOL,Harare Just To grasp this side of Marketing Guys,Marketing Is MARKETING Its either we DO IT Or Not At All! LETS GET REAL I'M RESEARCHING FOR MY FINAL YEAR PROJECT ON STRATEGIES,CONCEPTS TO USE 4 A STARTING CHURCH. I FOUND YOUR COMMENTS INTERESTING GOD BLESS. I’M A PROFESSIONAL MARKETER BUT JUST RECENTLY I VENTURED TO TAKE A COURSE ON MINISTRY MARKETING AT NEW LIFE BIBLE SCHOOL,Harare Just To grasp this side of Marketing Guys,Marketing Is MARKETING Its either we DO IT Or Not At All! LETS GET REAL
I’M RESEARCHING FOR MY FINAL YEAR PROJECT ON STRATEGIES,CONCEPTS TO USE 4 A STARTING CHURCH.
I FOUND YOUR COMMENTS INTERESTING
GOD BLESS.

]]> By: Mike http://www.churchmarketingsucks.com/2007/04/how-to-achieve-277-growth/comment-page-1/#comment-5273 Mike Fri, 26 Oct 2007 18:07:00 +0000 http://cms.bigbadcollab.com/?p=853#comment-5273 I love playing with statistics. 277% of 30 makes a total attendance of 68, of 50 yields 138. And there's no indication of the total online population. That said, an extra 40-70 actively seeking individuals (who have already made a substantive connection online) should get a significantly higher conversion rate than a door-to-door first-response program developed 40 years ago (sorry Gina, but EE really is that old!). I'd love to know whether they were able to provide substantive outreach on the website. I have a friend who holds "cyber church" on his myspace page, and the trackback comments show he's REACHING a segment of the population that's discontented with shirt&tie Christianity. I love playing with statistics. 277% of 30 makes a total attendance of 68, of 50 yields 138. And there’s no indication of the total online population.
That said, an extra 40-70 actively seeking individuals (who have already made a substantive connection online) should get a significantly higher conversion rate than a door-to-door first-response program developed 40 years ago (sorry Gina, but EE really is that old!).
I’d love to know whether they were able to provide substantive outreach on the website. I have a friend who holds “cyber church” on his myspace page, and the trackback comments show he’s REACHING a segment of the population that’s discontented with shirt&tie Christianity.

]]> By: Tim Knutson http://www.churchmarketingsucks.com/2007/04/how-to-achieve-277-growth/comment-page-1/#comment-5272 Tim Knutson Tue, 02 Oct 2007 06:13:49 +0000 http://cms.bigbadcollab.com/?p=853#comment-5272 I actually just took over a church that has been struggling for years with growth, attendance and lack of zeal for the gospel. I am also a coffee roaster and small business man. I realized that I did and do everything with the business to promote it and tell people about it, because I believe it is the best. The Lord showed me that I need to install that same process into His church. He is the CEO and I am the COO (Chief Operations Officer). There is nothing wrong with promoting your church as long as you not some wimpy, fly by night church that doesn't bring the hard truth and tender gospel to the people. Our world changes everyday and we are the children of the 'creator'! He can create in us very 'creative' and innovative ways to reach the lost. Don't be critical of others and don't be stupid either. There's a fine line. I actually just took over a church that has been struggling for years with growth, attendance and lack of zeal for the gospel.
I am also a coffee roaster and small business man. I realized that I did and do everything with the business to promote it and tell people about it, because I believe it is the best. The Lord showed me that I need to install that same process into His church. He is the CEO and I am the COO (Chief Operations Officer). There is nothing wrong with promoting your church as long as you not some wimpy, fly by night church that doesn’t bring the hard truth and tender gospel to the people.
Our world changes everyday and we are the children of the ‘creator’! He can create in us very ‘creative’ and innovative ways to reach the lost. Don’t be critical of others and don’t be stupid either. There’s a fine line.

]]> By: Chris Allen http://www.churchmarketingsucks.com/2007/04/how-to-achieve-277-growth/comment-page-1/#comment-5271 Chris Allen Tue, 25 Sep 2007 21:21:18 +0000 http://cms.bigbadcollab.com/?p=853#comment-5271 Don't be stupid. That is why the church fails... because we fail to realize that it is our responsibility to make an effort to promote God and His ideals. Why should a corporation be allowed to promote their product, but we can't even promote a place that promotes God. I'm sick of wineing Christians talking about how much they know about this and that and the other. Put a sock in it and realize that the goal isn't to promote a building, it's to promote what's going on inside. I love it when there's thousands gathered to worship and learn and fellowship!!! It is so fun - but the first step is to actually let people know what is going on and to convince them it's worth it to be there. That there is something about this whole church thing beyond passing the offering plate or singing hymns. I just want to see people changed; and sometimes it's nice simply to show up with people like me who get together to rock the house! And you have to admit that it is more fun with 5000 people than 50 - for me, and for someone who may not have much of a Christian background. So let's get the word out like the big corporations do!!! Why the heck not!!! Don’t be stupid. That is why the church fails… because we fail to realize that it is our responsibility to make an effort to promote God and His ideals. Why should a corporation be allowed to promote their product, but we can’t even promote a place that promotes God. I’m sick of wineing Christians talking about how much they know about this and that and the other. Put a sock in it and realize that the goal isn’t to promote a building, it’s to promote what’s going on inside. I love it when there’s thousands gathered to worship and learn and fellowship!!! It is so fun – but the first step is to actually let people know what is going on and to convince them it’s worth it to be there. That there is something about this whole church thing beyond passing the offering plate or singing hymns. I just want to see people changed; and sometimes it’s nice simply to show up with people like me who get together to rock the house! And you have to admit that it is more fun with 5000 people than 50 – for me, and for someone who may not have much of a Christian background. So let’s get the word out like the big corporations do!!! Why the heck not!!!

]]> By: Tracy McKirk http://www.churchmarketingsucks.com/2007/04/how-to-achieve-277-growth/comment-page-1/#comment-5270 Tracy McKirk Tue, 17 Jul 2007 09:57:56 +0000 http://cms.bigbadcollab.com/?p=853#comment-5270 Great story.. I am amazed to see a church promoting its service like a corporation. Tracy Great story.. I am amazed to see a church promoting its service like a corporation.
Tracy

]]> By: Zach Lorton http://www.churchmarketingsucks.com/2007/04/how-to-achieve-277-growth/comment-page-1/#comment-5269 Zach Lorton Thu, 03 May 2007 07:44:01 +0000 http://cms.bigbadcollab.com/?p=853#comment-5269 We're in an area of the metro St. Louis region where there are many low-income families, and a good deal of them don't have internet access. Still, our website has impressed a lot of people, because we broadcast our Sunday morning messages on our site each week. We have people watching from all over the country, as well as Asia, Denmark, Germany, Canada, Mexico, South America, Japan, and many other countries.<p> What's been more impacting, however, is the fact that a few months ago, we started broadcasting our services on a local ABC television affiliate, Saturday nights at 11:30 p.m. (right about the time that SNL starts to suck). I cannot tell you the massive response we've gotten from this, and we have people call in every week wanting to know more about our church as a result. We encourage people to find a church that's right for them if they're not in this area. <p>The way our pastor presents the gospel is infused with 2 essential things -- humor and practicality. We recently did an entire series dedicated to the blended family (to our knowledge the first one done anywhere), and we're about to wrap one up on betrayal. Our next series is going to be a study/expose on the film "The Secret". God is leading us to answer the needs of our community, and that's the biggest reason why people respond.</p></p> We’re in an area of the metro St. Louis region where there are many low-income families, and a good deal of them don’t have internet access. Still, our website has impressed a lot of people, because we broadcast our Sunday morning messages on our site each week. We have people watching from all over the country, as well as Asia, Denmark, Germany, Canada, Mexico, South America, Japan, and many other countries.

What’s been more impacting, however, is the fact that a few months ago, we started broadcasting our services on a local ABC television affiliate, Saturday nights at 11:30 p.m. (right about the time that SNL starts to suck). I cannot tell you the massive response we’ve gotten from this, and we have people call in every week wanting to know more about our church as a result. We encourage people to find a church that’s right for them if they’re not in this area.

The way our pastor presents the gospel is infused with 2 essential things — humor and practicality. We recently did an entire series dedicated to the blended family (to our knowledge the first one done anywhere), and we’re about to wrap one up on betrayal. Our next series is going to be a study/expose on the film “The Secret”. God is leading us to answer the needs of our community, and that’s the biggest reason why people respond.

]]> By: Craig in Wisconsin http://www.churchmarketingsucks.com/2007/04/how-to-achieve-277-growth/comment-page-1/#comment-5268 Craig in Wisconsin Mon, 23 Apr 2007 15:17:24 +0000 http://cms.bigbadcollab.com/?p=853#comment-5268 My best friend and pastor said something in a 6 week Fishing series that I loved. He said, "People, I don't want you to bring people to church.....I want you to bring the church to people." I am a marketing guru, but the real marketing comes in the form of the love we put on people in the real world. That said, I still love the ideas I get here and as Outreach Director I am inspired by the creative minds and approaches here. Thanks all! My best friend and pastor said something in a 6 week Fishing series that I loved. He said, “People, I don’t want you to bring people to church…..I want you to bring the church to people.” I am a marketing guru, but the real marketing comes in the form of the love we put on people in the real world. That said, I still love the ideas I get here and as Outreach Director I am inspired by the creative minds and approaches here. Thanks all!

]]> By: Gloria http://www.churchmarketingsucks.com/2007/04/how-to-achieve-277-growth/comment-page-1/#comment-5267 Gloria Mon, 23 Apr 2007 11:03:31 +0000 http://cms.bigbadcollab.com/?p=853#comment-5267 I think the issue there Gina speaks more about how we, as Christians, ought to be cultivating authentic relationships with people outside the "Christian" sphere. We should be going out and meeting people, and relating to them and not being "complete strangers." Because who is honestly going to listen to a complete stranger nowadays? You're likely to hear, "Pfft, you don't KNOW ME!" rather than "Yes I am a sinner." Having said that, I too, like the idea of marketing, because it helps us bridge a gap that we're created for ourselves. It's not a "solution" but a "patch." I think the issue there Gina speaks more about how we, as Christians, ought to be cultivating authentic relationships with people outside the “Christian” sphere.
We should be going out and meeting people, and relating to them and not being “complete strangers.” Because who is honestly going to listen to a complete stranger nowadays? You’re likely to hear, “Pfft, you don’t KNOW ME!” rather than “Yes I am a sinner.”
Having said that, I too, like the idea of marketing, because it helps us bridge a gap that we’re created for ourselves. It’s not a “solution” but a “patch.”

]]> By: Gina Witcher http://www.churchmarketingsucks.com/2007/04/how-to-achieve-277-growth/comment-page-1/#comment-5266 Gina Witcher Sun, 22 Apr 2007 20:05:27 +0000 http://cms.bigbadcollab.com/?p=853#comment-5266 I am absolutely shocked at Mark and Kevin's comments. What about the person who never comes across a believer? Even the writer of Evangelism Explosion says only 2% of people come to Christ through this face to face encounter with a stranger. Your church may be great, but if they think you're wierd, or a "Jesus Freak" are they just doomed to go to hell. If the world uses marketing, why can't we use marketing for the sake of the Gospel? I am absolutely shocked at Mark and Kevin’s comments. What about the person who never comes across a believer? Even the writer of Evangelism Explosion says only 2% of people come to Christ through this face to face encounter with a stranger. Your church may be great, but if they think you’re wierd, or a “Jesus Freak” are they just doomed to go to hell. If the world uses marketing, why can’t we use marketing for the sake of the Gospel?

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