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	<title>Comments on: Ministry as Marketing</title>
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		<title>By: Phillip Ross</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phillip Ross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Sep 2005 19:33:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another thought about marketing as ministry.
The theme of reaping and sowing runs throughout Scripture, and I&#039;m thinking that Christian marketing is really all about reaping and sowing. Marketing plants seeds that will be reaped later.
Note that Scripture uses the language of reaping and sowing -- or farming rather than the language of the marketplace (marketing).
Rather than thinking of marketing as ministry, it might be more biblical to think of ministry as farming, rather than selling.
Phil
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another thought about marketing as ministry.<br />
The theme of reaping and sowing runs throughout Scripture, and I&#8217;m thinking that Christian marketing is really all about reaping and sowing. Marketing plants seeds that will be reaped later.<br />
Note that Scripture uses the language of reaping and sowing &#8212; or farming rather than the language of the marketplace (marketing).<br />
Rather than thinking of marketing as ministry, it might be more biblical to think of ministry as farming, rather than selling.<br />
Phil</p>
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		<title>By: Phillip Ross</title>
		<link>http://www.churchmarketingsucks.com/2005/08/ministry-as-marketing/comment-page-1/#comment-1654</link>
		<dc:creator>Phillip Ross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Sep 2005 14:32:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The word ministry means service, whereas marketing as it is being used here means the entire enterprise of buying and selling commodities and securities. Marketing is always tied to buying and selling.
So, exactly what is it that churches are selling? And does that mean that ministry is about buying and selling? Or does it mean that marketing should be done as a service? And if it is, exactly who is to be served? God? Church members? Or visitors? Or all? What do we do when they have conflicting interests?
What is Jesus Christ selling that Christians are franchising? Or is it that nondenominational churches don&#039;t franchise anymore? Is Bill Hybels franchising?
How does Jesus attract people to the gospel? (Other than performing miracles. I&#039;m excluding miracles because they are difficult to measure.) But seriously, the way that Jesus and the apostles attracted people to the gospel, the ways that they shared their faith should be the Christian marketing and outreach model.
What was Paul selling?
Phil
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The word ministry means service, whereas marketing as it is being used here means the entire enterprise of buying and selling commodities and securities. Marketing is always tied to buying and selling.<br />
So, exactly what is it that churches are selling? And does that mean that ministry is about buying and selling? Or does it mean that marketing should be done as a service? And if it is, exactly who is to be served? God? Church members? Or visitors? Or all? What do we do when they have conflicting interests?<br />
What is Jesus Christ selling that Christians are franchising? Or is it that nondenominational churches don&#8217;t franchise anymore? Is Bill Hybels franchising?<br />
How does Jesus attract people to the gospel? (Other than performing miracles. I&#8217;m excluding miracles because they are difficult to measure.) But seriously, the way that Jesus and the apostles attracted people to the gospel, the ways that they shared their faith should be the Christian marketing and outreach model.<br />
What was Paul selling?<br />
Phil</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Aug 2005 14:49:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This thread raises interesting points.  My humble thought?  We need to market &lt;i&gt;and&lt;/i&gt; minister.  Luke 14:23 in The Message says that the master said, &quot;Then go to the country roads. Whoever you find, drag them in. I want my house full!&quot;  This is where marketing comes into play.  And this can take any number of forms, from DM, to radio, to viral tactics, to personal invites, to outright outreach and ministry events.  The key thing we forget is that everything we do markets and speaks about our particular organization.  More importantly everything we do must reflect Christ.  So for us as the church it is clear that everything should be carried out with the utmost of excellence and care.  And whatever you do don&#039;t call it ministry or outreach to your outside audiences.  The old adage of &quot;If just one person comes to Jesus, then it was worth it.&quot; just doesn&#039;t fly anymore, especially in such a media saturated culture.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This thread raises interesting points.  My humble thought?  We need to market <i>and</i> minister.  Luke 14:23 in The Message says that the master said, &#8220;Then go to the country roads. Whoever you find, drag them in. I want my house full!&#8221;  This is where marketing comes into play.  And this can take any number of forms, from DM, to radio, to viral tactics, to personal invites, to outright outreach and ministry events.  The key thing we forget is that everything we do markets and speaks about our particular organization.  More importantly everything we do must reflect Christ.  So for us as the church it is clear that everything should be carried out with the utmost of excellence and care.  And whatever you do don&#8217;t call it ministry or outreach to your outside audiences.  The old adage of &#8220;If just one person comes to Jesus, then it was worth it.&#8221; just doesn&#8217;t fly anymore, especially in such a media saturated culture.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://www.churchmarketingsucks.com/2005/08/ministry-as-marketing/comment-page-1/#comment-1652</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Aug 2005 12:02:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can I hear an amen?!
For those of us who live in the world of church, we call it outreach and ministry.
For those in the business and marketing world it&#039;s called word of mouth and is one of the hot topics in marketing today.
womma.org is a brand new organization devoted entirely to word of mouth and wears all the big companies names as participants.
Funny thing is it can be hard for a company selling toilets to figure out word of mouth...for us it should be easy.  Christ is the king of word of mouth, everyone was talking about his ministry, he didn&#039;t need TV or radio or the web because people would go to great lengths because they heard about his great works!
I know it is so easy to focus inside of our walls...but we are called to love our neighbors and I&#039;m sad to say, I don&#039;t even know all of my neighbors names.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can I hear an amen?!<br />
For those of us who live in the world of church, we call it outreach and ministry.<br />
For those in the business and marketing world it&#8217;s called word of mouth and is one of the hot topics in marketing today.<br />
womma.org is a brand new organization devoted entirely to word of mouth and wears all the big companies names as participants.<br />
Funny thing is it can be hard for a company selling toilets to figure out word of mouth&#8230;for us it should be easy.  Christ is the king of word of mouth, everyone was talking about his ministry, he didn&#8217;t need TV or radio or the web because people would go to great lengths because they heard about his great works!<br />
I know it is so easy to focus inside of our walls&#8230;but we are called to love our neighbors and I&#8217;m sad to say, I don&#8217;t even know all of my neighbors names.</p>
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		<title>By: Betsy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Betsy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Aug 2005 11:07:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That is incredible.  If more churches made more of an impact in their community, and were not so focused on internal activities, the Church would have a better reputation in the world today.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is incredible.  If more churches made more of an impact in their community, and were not so focused on internal activities, the Church would have a better reputation in the world today.</p>
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